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Certifications: Not worth the paper they are printed on? Oct 05 2008 06:15PM
Jon Kibler (Jon Kibler aset com) (7 replies)
Re: Certifications: Not worth the paper they are printed on? Oct 08 2008 10:51PM
M.B.Jr. (marcio barbado gmail com) (1 replies)
Re: Certifications: Not worth the paper they are printed on? Oct 09 2008 04:56AM
Jon Kibler (Jon Kibler aset com)
Re: Certifications: Not worth the paper they are printed on? Oct 08 2008 09:39PM
Kurt Buff (kurt buff gmail com)
Re: Certifications: Not worth the paper they are printed on? Oct 06 2008 05:23PM
R. DuFresne (dufresne sysinfo com) (1 replies)
RE: Certifications: Not worth the paper they are printed on? Oct 06 2008 10:32PM
Ray Chow (Ray Chow dia govt nz) (1 replies)
RE: Certifications: Not worth the paper they are printed on? Oct 07 2008 01:18AM
R. DuFresne (dufresne sysinfo com) (1 replies)
Re: Certifications: Not worth the paper they are printed on? Oct 07 2008 10:28AM
Matt - MRS Security (matt mrssecurity com) (1 replies)
RE: Certifications: Not worth the paper they are printed on? Oct 08 2008 04:00PM
Stuart Criddle (stuart ngssoftware com)
RE: Certifications: Not worth the paper they are printed on? Oct 06 2008 11:47AM
John Babio (jbabio po-box esu edu)
Re: Certifications: Not worth the paper they are printed on? Oct 05 2008 11:59PM
Jay D. Dyson (jdyson treachery net) (4 replies)
Re: Certifications: Not worth the paper they are printed on? Oct 08 2008 07:40AM
Dragos Ruiu (dr kyx net)
Re: Certifications: Not worth the paper they are printed on? Oct 06 2008 06:04PM
Matt - MRS Security (matt mrssecurity com)
Jay D. Dyson wrote:
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>> Yesterday I was reading a blog where someone with no security
>> experience whatsoever was grousing that they flunked the Security+
>> exam. The blogger also claimed to have over 100 certifications. In my
>> opinion, that many certifications undoubtedly qualifies this blogger
>> to be the Poster Boy for everything that is wrong with the
>> certification process.
>
> First off, let's see the URL.
>
> Secondly, let's see this list of certifications this blogger claims
> s/he possesses. Suffice it to say some fact-checking is in order
> before flying off the handle about the certification process being
> "broken."
>
> To be perfectly blunt, just because someone *claims* they have "over
> 100 certifications" doesn't mean they actually do. Based on that
> simple reality, I have to dismiss outright your claim that there's
> anything broken about today's certifications at all.
>
> Let's get serious: anyone can claim they've got 100 certifications or
> are members of MENSA, MEGA or Dorks of America, but that doesn't prove
> that they are. What's more, that they're grousing about their own
> personal failures is a reflection on no-one's shortcomings save their
> own.
>
> Are there clueless people who have certificates? No matter what
> vetting process exists, there's always going to be book-smart and
> reality-stupid people. But to claim the certification process is
> broken based on the bellyaching of one person isn't just wrongheaded,
> it's ridiculous.
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Some of us are just c4ap at exams or cannot grasp the concept of the
subject.

I personally hate written exams, and really struggle with them - i
prefer practical exams as i can easily apply my methodology of thinking
and revising to it - i.e. i do something once, and i can remember it.

Exams are primarily there to show that you understand the subject and
can recall specific areas and apply that knowledge. Nowadays with the
concept of the internet anyone can just google an answer.

To be honest IMHO this list should have a specific FAQ with a list of
exams etc that we can point people towards - this would cut down on the
continous requests for "what exam should i do" and stop needless threads
on the subjects..

~ M

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Re: Certifications: Not worth the paper they are printed on? Oct 06 2008 02:28AM
brendan (xasperated gmail com) (2 replies)
Re: Certifications: Not worth the paper they are printed on? Oct 06 2008 05:25AM
Jimmy Brokaw (hedgie hedgie com)
Re: Certifications: Not worth the paper they are printed on? Oct 06 2008 03:43AM
Jay D. Dyson (jdyson treachery net) (1 replies)
Re: Certifications: Not worth the paper they are printed on? Oct 06 2008 08:42AM
David Howe (DaveHowe Pentest googlemail com)
Re: Certifications: Not worth the paper they are printed on? Oct 06 2008 01:50AM
Jon Kibler (Jon Kibler aset com) (1 replies)
Re: Certifications: Not worth the paper they are printed on? Oct 06 2008 04:37PM
John Mason Jr (john mason jr cox net)
Re: Certifications: Not worth the paper they are printed on? Oct 05 2008 07:57PM
Mario Platt (mplatt gmail com) (1 replies)
Re: Certifications: Not worth the paper they are printed on? Oct 05 2008 09:01PM
Jon Kibler (Jon Kibler aset com)
Re: Certifications: Not worth the paper they are printed on? Oct 05 2008 07:19PM
Terry Cutler (jedi31337 gmail com) (1 replies)
Re: Certifications: Not worth the paper they are printed on? Oct 06 2008 08:12AM
David Howe (DaveHowe Pentest googlemail com)







 

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